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"Bryce Womeldurf" (bryce-womeldurf)
08/25/2013 at 18:03 • Filed to: SidewaysSunday, drifting, Gran Turismo, Gran Turismo 4, Gran Turismo 5, GT4, GT5

Some drifting, some just racing shots of mine from GT5

Tamora on Toscana based custom track

280Z getting a dab of oppo

R35 all wheel drift

Photomerge of two shots of the Spoon Integra

Innocent Blue Cosmo

Some older shots from GT4. It was more easy to get sideways with a gameshark doubling and tripling the horsepower numbers up...

DISCUSSION (34)

GhostZ > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:07

Do you do a lot of GT5 drifting? Were you on a team?

Bryce Womeldurf > GhostZ
08/25/2013 at 18:11

Unfortunately, no and no. I don't really get to play as much GT5 as I did GT4, since I only own the game. I just borrow the system from my brother in law every now and then. I did far more drifting in GT4. Never was part of a team or anything, I just loved throwing way too much power into a car and the Gameshark helped with that, since I've always found GT's horsepower peaks to be a bit on the weak side, in all forms of the game. You should really be able to get more out of engines like the 2JZGTE and RB26DETT and with that hp cheat in GT4, great things were possible. I had an R34 Skyline GT-R, for example, that had over 2000hp.

Jaaag Hartley > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:14

i see that Tamora had the optional "Physically Impossible Front Wings" Package, where the tyres can go right through the front wings when you need full oppo

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:15

280ZX* because there's a pretty big difference between a 280Z (1975-1978 S30 chassis) and a 280ZX (1978-1983 S130 chassis).

GhostZ > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:17

GT5's tuning is a bit more realistic, I think. You should be able to get that much power out of the engine at max, but at what cost? They sort of work on the marginal gain idea, where cost is taken into consideration. Realistically, a 1000HP RB26 is possible, but it probably a lot more difficult than a 700HP RB26, by a huge margin. That's because almost every RB26 that's at 1000HP (that I know) has to spin at nearly 10,000 rpms. I think they also wanted to cut down on the Skyline's godliness for reason's sake.

Right now however, someone got into the save files and there's a lot of engine swapping, adding boost, etc. going on. It's possible to raise the RPM limit and get that 1000HP pretty easily. Especially if you adjust the suspension configuration, tire sizes, etc. to custom build a car using the code. It was all really cool until someone came out with a "universal tool", so everyone suddenly didn't have to work or think to design these cars, but just selected drop-down boxes with limited, but simple, options. That's when PD cracked down. It's back up now, and people are able to still do it online.

Bryce Womeldurf > Jaaag Hartley
08/25/2013 at 18:17

Yeah, fortunately I've seen less of that in GT5 than the previous games. Have you ever driven the C3 Corvette with stock suspension in GT3? Holy cow, that was terrible! The tires were constantly bouncing through the fenders. It ruined that car in that game for me. The Tamora is kind of subtle by comparison.

Bryce Womeldurf > GhostZ
08/25/2013 at 18:26

Yeah, I could see that sucking the fun out of it. The 2khp GT-R was mostly built for giggles. I may be remembering wrong, it might have been on GT3 rather than 4. But it was PS2 for sure. I built it to throw it sideways around Complex String. It was more useful on things like a 700hp Evo VII and things like that. You could still have the power in a decent, almost too responsive, type fashion but get just a little more out of it than the game would normally allow. And since it wasn't online, it was totally kosher. Now, I do most of my drifting in Forza 4, cheat free. I am on a team in that, but after being together since Forza 3 back in 2008, we're slowly starting to fall apart. Sadly, I just don't have the time to devote a night to racing every week anymore.

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/25/2013 at 18:28

Nope, check the front plate. It's just a Z, no 2+2. I know there's a big difference between S30 and s130, because my mother owned an S130, but that's allegedly a 280Z in the game. I think the roofline is slightly different in addition to the fewer seats.

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:33

Woops, my bad, realized it was sold without the X in Japan. Apologies!

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/25/2013 at 18:35

You know, on second glance, it looks like GT5 called a ZX minus the rear seats a Z. Technically an S130 without the rear seats. I still think the roofs are slightly different though, with the ZX notching out a little more, where the Z just swooped down in a prettier way.

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/25/2013 at 18:37

No problem! I wish they had them in the states. I like the roofline better. Also less fat.

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:39

I always thought it was badged as the ZX regardless of whether it was a 2 seater or 2+2, just like earlier and later generations.

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:40

The States didn't get the 2 seater either? Oh well, at least you got the L28ET!

GhostZ > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:40

"cheat free" Heh. There's no cheating in GT5. The game just doesn't let you create a car that you can really "cheat" with, even with 100,000HP you can't beat physics. Tire spin means someone else can do some math and find a better HP level that actually accelerates faster.

Most drifters are able to engine swap miatas, change the downforce, etc. on cars, and do other things. But unless you were already extremely skilled, no amount of save file editing actually gets you a cheat-level advantage. It's one of those arms races things, where driving skill, no matter what the mods, still means success. Most of the novices who modify the drift cars on GT5 actually end up only a little faster, and crash a lot more. It just takes a good drifter to pull out a properly tuned car to whoop their ass.

But that being said, I totally get you. I haven't played GT5 in about 4 months, but I've just watched the events unfold from afar. Games like these take time and dedication, and there's only so many hours in the week. I've got more productive things to do.

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/25/2013 at 18:42

Yeah, sadly the closest I've gotten to owning one (the one my mom had) was destroyed. High wind blew the car off the road and it flipped several times.

Kinja'd!!!

Bryce Womeldurf > GhostZ
08/25/2013 at 18:47

Exactly. Plus, back in the days of GT3 and GT4 I had no way to compare against other non-AI drivers, so it was all for fun rather than competition. I mostly wanted to replicate, as closely as possible the cars I saw in Sport Compact Car and other magazines like that.

GhostZ > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 18:51

No, it's a 280ZX... ish. Polyphony Digital really let the ball drop on this one, the car in GT5 doesn't exist . It's called a "280Z-L", the L is a trim line for luxury 280zx in the US, but in Japan it was sold as the Fairlady, yet it has the J-spec mirrors. The side panels come from a different year altogether (notice the distinct lack of a body crease, and the black rubber on the doors).

Basically, it's a 1981 or 2 North American 280ZX on the sides, a 79 North American 280ZX on the bumpers, a J-spec Fairlady Z on the mirrors and fenders, and a J-spec Fairlady Z on the taillights, with a name that is derived from the US and UK-spec "L" luxury option, but with the name "280z", which it was never called.

Basically, they cobbled together a 280ZX with details that vary by year and trim. I remember a few posts on GTPlanet about this that really got people confused, because most people just accepted it as correct before people started doing research.

Just some info for you!

GhostZ > Sparf
08/25/2013 at 18:51

Nah, you're right. It's totally fishy. See my other reply in these comments.

Bryce Womeldurf > GhostZ
08/25/2013 at 19:05

Good catch.

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 19:09

Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. My maternal grandfather owned a black Euro-spec '81 N/A 2+2 which he loved dearly. Unfortunately, he passed away from lung cancer in '87, and my mom inherited it. My dad fixed "lots of rust" on the "damn thing" (his words, not mine, and he blames it on the "thin sheetmetal") during both my grandfather's ownership and my mom's, but they eventually sold it in '92... 2 years before I was born. I seem to have the same taste in slightly weird and distinctly 70s and 80s cars as my grandfather had, and I like to think that a part of him resides within me, even if I never knew him.

As for the car, we looked it up using my dad's dealer connections quite recently and it's now titled to the son of the woman who bought it from my parents. It hasn't been registered for the road since 2011 though so it's presumably standing neglected somewhere. My mom has said she wouldn't mind buying it again, and I love that car myself (even if it's not a 2 seater) so we were thinking of contacting the owner and seeing if he was willing to part with it before I bought my Celica.

Jaaag Hartley > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 19:11

I can't remember much of GT3, probably did but wouldn't have noticed it, too young to care about details like that haha

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/25/2013 at 19:13

That's a nice way to think about it. If I were after one today, I'd probably go S30, but my mother would likely wring my neck, since she pretty much blamed the car for the accident. In a weird turn of events, I eventually became obsessed with Japanese cars in the late '90s. I forgave the car. Still have the keys to it somewhere.

GhostZ > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 19:14

Not my credit, someone caught it on the Forums a while back before I even started playing GT5, back when it first came out and everyone was trying to find mistakes like these.

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 19:26

Personally, I'm crazy about the Z31 (because I'm a bit strange like that), but the S30 is also very desirable (albeit very expensive here in Europe due to its relative rarity)!

Bryce Womeldurf > Jaaag Hartley
08/25/2013 at 20:24

I played the crap out of it. Ahh, high school.

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/25/2013 at 20:30

I feel like the Z31 is a great option that nearly no one in the states is really taking advantage of. All of the drift kids have either beat up or driven the price up on the S13 and S14 but no one seems to want to build a Z31 and they're just as versatile. I could probably have bought an S30 here for not much more than the Miata, but I'm trying to build something within a lower budget. The S30 is probably cheaper here than where you're at, but restoration can probably can get expensive. And I wanted something that I can drive as is and that's almost what I have. If I could get that stupid oxygen sensor out and fix the top, it'd be ready. But it's basically drivable granted that it's not raining.

Bryce Womeldurf > GhostZ
08/25/2013 at 20:34

Well, thanks for passing it on. I now have more Datsun info to out nerd someone in the future with.

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/25/2013 at 20:55

I know, right? It's almost like people don't even know it exists! In Europe (where the 2 seater was not sold) the Z31 is very rare, and here in Sweden the number of running Z31s is about 20 or 30 depending on the source. Meanwhile, there are dozens of S13s and S14s (along with every imaginable JDM ride, American muscle car and Bimmer) at every meet I go to. Sometimes I might even see a Z32, but for some reason there is only one tuned Z31 Turbo in the entire country that I know of, and the site for it has been inactive for years. My obsession is mainly with the JDM 200ZR-I (RB20DET-powered slicktop) 2 seater, which I'm hoping to someday import from Japan and do a "260ZR" RB26DETT build with.

Interesting that you have a Miata, my original plan with my first car hunt was to get a '94 1.8 Miata, but for some very strange reason I couldn't find a reasonably priced one so I ended up stumbling upon a very nice '88 Celica GT-Four which was just within my budget about a month ago. So far I'm very satisfied with it, but I'd still have liked to get a Miata (even though I can borrow my mom's '91 1.6 Limited Edition).

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/27/2013 at 11:01

Good to hear that the GT-Four is working out for you. I think the last we spoke you had just gotten it. I've had my wife's family in town for a month, so that's sort of pushed back any work on the Miata but I've driven it to work a couple of times since then. It's always a race to get home, to beat the rain since it's still got a slice in the top. Maybe I'll find some time this weekend to do that and the oxygen sensor. Maybe...

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/27/2013 at 11:10

I still have to fix the oil pressure gauge on it and find a replacement sunroof, but other than it's doing great. I am planning on replacing all the crappy suspension bushings this winter, however, but until then it's perfectly drivable (even if the shoddy rear differential mount is making it clonk loudly when you shift hard and/or at high speed).

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/27/2013 at 11:34

I still need to change brake fluid, clutch fluid, diff fluid. And THEN I'd like to also tackle bushings too. I've had an issue of Project Car (my only issue of it) since over a year before I bought the car, about changing all of the NA Miata bushings to Energy Suspension pieces. I'll probably have to find new shocks while I'm at it.

Kinja'd!!!

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/27/2013 at 13:05

Oh, now I want that issue! My mom's '91 is already pretty damn stiff (thanks to the custom strut braces and anti-roll bars my dad fabricated for it, along with a Rod Millen Racing suspension kit), but I believe the bushings are still factory ones (we've owned it since new).

Sparf > Bryce Womeldurf
08/27/2013 at 15:41

Scratch that, I asked and it already has Teflon bushings.

Bryce Womeldurf > Sparf
08/27/2013 at 16:19

Well, shoot. You're already set! Daily driving a GT-Four and borrowing a Miata. Living the dream.